[neomutt-users] Limit is sometimes applied automatically when returning to index

Igor Serebryany igor47 at moomers.org
Tue Nov 8 00:37:17 CET 2022 

Digging in a little more, it looks like there's already an open issue
about this (since Dec 2020):
https://github.com/neomutt/neomutt/issues/2763

I'll comment more there.

--igor

On Mon, Oct 31, 2022 at 02:01:32PM -0500, Igor Serebryany wrote:
> Just to test this out, I built neomutt from source, so now my version
> details are below. Same issue.
> 
> NeoMutt 20220429
> Copyright (C) 1996-2022 Michael R. Elkins and others.
> NeoMutt comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; for details type 'neomutt -vv'.
> NeoMutt is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it
> under certain conditions; type 'neomutt -vv' for details.
> 
> System: Linux 5.4.0-70-generic (x86_64)
> ncurses: ncurses 6.2.20200212 (compiled with 6.2.20200212)
> libidn: 1.33 (compiled with 1.33)
> GPGME: 1.13.1-unknown
> GnuTLS: 3.6.13
> libnotmuch: 5.2.0
> storage: tokyocabinet
> 
> Configure options: --build=x86_64-linux-gnu --prefix=/usr {{--includedir=/include}} {{--mandir=/share/man}} {{--infodir=/share/info}} --sysconfdir=/etc --localstatedir=/var --disable-silent-rules {{--libdir=/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu}} {{--libexecdir=/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu}} --disable-maintainer-mode --disable-dependency-tracking --mandir=/usr/share/man --libexecdir=/usr/libexec --with-mailpath=/var/mail --gpgme --lua --notmuch --with-ui --gnutls --idn --mixmaster --sasl --tokyocabinet
> 
> Compilation CFLAGS: -g -O2 -std=c99 -D_ALL_SOURCE=1 -D_GNU_SOURCE=1 -D__EXTENSIONS__ -I/usr/include -I/usr/include/lua5.2 -DNCURSES_WIDECHAR
> 
> Default options:
>   +attach_headers_color +compose_to_sender +compress +cond_date +debug
>   +encrypt_to_self +forgotten_attachments +forwref +ifdef +imap +index_color
>   +initials +limit_current_thread +multiple_fcc +nested_if +new_mail +nntp +pop
>   +progress +quasi_delete +regcomp +reply_with_xorig +sensible_browser +sidebar
>   +skip_quoted +smtp +status_color +timeout +tls_sni +trash
> 
> Compile options:
>   -autocrypt +fcntl -flock -fmemopen +futimens +getaddrinfo +gnutls +gpgme -gss
>   +hcache -homespool +idn +inotify -locales_hack +lua +mixmaster +nls +notmuch
>   -openssl +pgp +regex +sasl +smime -sqlite +sun_attachment
> 
> --igor
> 
> On Mon, Oct 31, 2022 at 12:19:02PM -0500, Igor Serebryany wrote:
> > Thanks for sending this, I signed up for the mailing list to ask about
> > this same issue! Would also appreciate any pointers, I do believe the
> > limit re-apply happens when new mail is received, and it's very
> > confusing to have a message I was just looking at suddenly be gone from
> > the index.
> > 
> > A common use case:
> > * I filter to just 'New' mail
> > * I view one of those messages
> > * I return to the index
> > 
> > Now, the message I just viewed is no longer 'New', and so it's not in
> > the index any more. Also, this usually causes my cursor to jump to the
> > first message (which kinda makes sense, it *should* be on the message I
> > just viewed but it's no longer there).
> > 
> > Version details (On Ubuntu 20.04):
> > 
> > NeoMutt 20191207
> > Copyright (C) 1996-2016 Michael R. Elkins and others.
> > NeoMutt comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; for details type 'neomutt
> > -vv'.
> > NeoMutt is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it
> > under certain conditions; type 'neomutt -vv' for details.
> > 
> > System: Linux 5.4.0-70-generic (x86_64)
> > ncurses: ncurses 6.2.20200212 (compiled with 6.2.20200212)
> > libidn: 1.33 (compiled with 1.33)
> > GPGme: 1.13.1-unknown
> > libnotmuch: 5.2.0
> > hcache backends: tokyocabinet
> > 
> > --igor
> > 
> > On Mon, Oct 31, 2022 at 05:02:33PM +0000, Andy Smith wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > I just upgraded my system to Debian 11 from Debian 9, and I'm seeing
> > > changed behaviour in NeoMutt which is quite confusing.
> > > 
> > > It's a little hard to explain but, if I have the folder limited to New
> > > messages and I view one of them, then sometimes when I return to the
> > > index the limit is re-applied immediately so the message I just viewed
> > > is hidded (as it's no longer new).
> > > 
> > > This doesn't always happen. I suspect it happens when new mail arrives
> > > in the folder while I was viewing the message.
> > > 
> > > It's quite confusing as I "lose" the message I was just looking at, and
> > > my position in the folder can jump about quite a bit when this happens.
> > > 
> > > This did not happen with the version of NeoMutt I was using in Debian 9.
> > > There, any new messages would appear but the limit would not be
> > > re-applied on returning to the index unless I forced that with l ~N <cr>.
> > > The message I had just viewed would be visible but shown as read.
> > > 
> > > Is there any setting to return to this previous behaviour?
> > > 
> > > My config and version details appear below.
> > > 
> > > Cheers,
> > > Andy
> > > 
> > > set mbox_type=Maildir
> > > set timeout=5
> > > set nomark_old
> > > set spoolfile=/home/andy/Maildir/
> > > set folder=/home/andy/Maildir/
> > > set abort_nosubject=no
> > > set alias_file=~/.mutt/aliases
> > > set editor="vim"
> > > set bounce_delivered=no
> > > set include=yes
> > > set mark_old=no
> > > set menu_scroll=no
> > > set move=no
> > > set pager_context=0
> > > set pager_index_lines=5
> > > set pager_stop=yes
> > > set pager_format="%4C %Z %.20n: %s%* %[!%F %T %Z] – (%P)"
> > > set record=~/Maildir/.sent-mail/
> > > set realname="Andy Smith"
> > > set from="andy at strugglers.net"
> > > set use_from=yes
> > > set reverse_alias=yes
> > > set reverse_name=yes
> > > set sort=threads
> > > set sort_aux=last-date-received
> > > set sort_re=yes
> > > set tilde
> > > set mailcap_sanitize
> > > set delete=yes
> > > set postpone=yes
> > > set charset=utf8
> > > set bounce_delivered=no
> > > set query_command="lbdbq %s"
> > > set read_inc=100
> > > set write_bcc=no
> > > set ignore_list_reply_to=yes
> > > set index_format="%4C %Z %{%b %d} %-15.15F (%4c) %s"
> > > set envelope_from
> > > set header_cache=~/.mutt/hcache
> > > set smart_wrap
> > > set wrap_search=yes
> > > unset markers
> > > alternative_order text/plain text/enriched text
> > > set xterm_set_titles=yes
> > > set xterm_title="%v: %f [Msgs:%M/%m New:%n%?t? Tagged:%t?] (%s/%S)"
> > > 
> > > mailboxes /home/andy/postponed `find $HOME/Maildir -type d -name cur | sed -e s:/cur$:: | sort | xargs`
> > > 
> > > ignore *
> > > unignore from: date: subject: to: cc: reply-to:
> > > unignore priority: importance:
> > > unignore organization: organisation:
> > > unignore user-agent: x-agent: x-mailer: x-newsreader:
> > > unignore x-mailing-list: x-editor:
> > > unignore newsgroups: posted-to: posted-and-mailed:
> > > unignore x-also-posted-to: x-newsgroups:
> > > unignore rt-originator: x-mailfrom: x-rt-originator:
> > > unignore x-bitfolk-domain:
> > > unhdr_order *
> > > 
> > > hdr_order \
> > > 	Date: \
> > > 	From: \
> > > 	X-MailFrom: \
> > > 	X-RT-Originator: \
> > > 	To: \
> > > 	Subject:
> > > 
> > > bind	generic	<F98>		first-entry
> > > bind	generic	<F121>		last-entry
> > > 
> > > bind	index	<pagedown>	next-page
> > > bind	index	<pageup>	previous-page
> > > bind	index	<F98>		first-entry
> > > bind	index	<F121>		last-entry
> > > 
> > > bind	editor	<F98>		bol
> > > bind	editor	<F121>		eol
> > > 
> > > bind	pager	<F98>		top
> > > bind	pager	<F121>		bottom
> > > 
> > > open-hook \\.gz$ "gzip -cd %f > %t"
> > > close-hook \\.gz$ "gzip --best --rsyncable -c %t > %f"
> > > append-hook \\.gz$ "gzip --best --rsyncable -c %t >> %f"
> > > 
> > > macro index <F5> ":source ~/.muttrc\n" \
> > > 	"Reload the muttrc"
> > > macro pager <F5> ":source ~/.muttrc\n" \
> > > 	"Reload the muttrc"
> > > 
> > > auto_view text/html
> > > auto_view text/x-vcard
> > > 
> > > $ neomutt -v
> > > NeoMutt 20201127
> > > Copyright (C) 1996-2020 Michael R. Elkins and others.
> > > NeoMutt comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; for details type 'neomutt -vv'.
> > > NeoMutt is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it
> > > under certain conditions; type 'neomutt -vv' for details.
> > > 
> > > System: Linux 5.10.0-19-amd64 (x86_64)
> > > ncurses: ncurses 6.2.20201114 (compiled with 6.2.20201114)
> > > libidn: 1.33 (compiled with 1.33)
> > > GPGME: 1.14.0-unknown
> > > GnuTLS: 3.7.1
> > > libnotmuch: 5.3.0
> > > storage: tokyocabinet
> > > 
> > > Configure options: --build=i686-linux-gnu --prefix=/usr {--includedir=${prefix}/include} {--mandir=${prefix}/share/man}
> > > {--infodir=${prefix}/share/info} --sysconfdir=/etc --localstatedir=/var --disable-option-checking --disable-silent-rules
> > >  {--libdir=${prefix}/lib/i386-linux-gnu} {--libexecdir=${prefix}/lib/i386-linux-gnu} --disable-maintainer-mode --disable
> > > -dependency-tracking --mandir=/usr/share/man --libexecdir=/usr/libexec --with-mailpath=/var/mail --gpgme --lua --notmuch
> > >  --with-ui --gnutls --gss --idn --mixmaster --sasl --tokyocabinet --sqlite --autocrypt
> > > 
> > > Compilation CFLAGS: -g -O2 -ffile-prefix-map=/build/neomutt-8uPELd/neomutt-20201127+dfsg.1=. -fstack-protector-strong -W
> > > format -Werror=format-security -std=c99 -D_ALL_SOURCE=1 -D_GNU_SOURCE=1 -D__EXTENSIONS__ -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -I/usr/i
> > > nclude -I/usr/include/lua5.4 -DNCURSES_WIDECHAR -isystem /usr/include/mit-krb5
> > > 
> > > Default options:
> > >   +attach_headers_color +compose_to_sender +compress +cond_date +debug
> > >   +encrypt_to_self +forgotten_attachments +forwref +ifdef +imap +index_color
> > >   +initials +limit_current_thread +multiple_fcc +nested_if +new_mail +nntp +pop
> > >   +progress +quasi_delete +regcomp +reply_with_xorig +sensible_browser +sidebar
> > >   +skip_quoted +smtp +status_color +timeout +tls_sni +trash
> > > 
> > > Compile options:
> > >   +autocrypt +bkgdset +color +curs_set +fcntl -flock -fmemopen +futimens
> > >   +getaddrinfo +gnutls +gpgme +gss +hcache -homespool +idn +inotify
> > >   -locales_hack +lua +meta +mixmaster +nls +notmuch -openssl +pgp +regex +sasl
> > >   +smime +sqlite +start_color +sun_attachment +typeahead
> > > MAILPATH="/var/mail"
> > > MIXMASTER="mixmaster"
> > > PKGDATADIR="/usr/share/neomutt"
> > > SENDMAIL="/usr/sbin/sendmail"
> > > SYSCONFDIR="/etc"
> 
> 


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